Mary F replied: "I am so sorry to hear about sweet little Mandrake's illness. I wish I could offer some advice, but there really isn't anything else that you can do. Each time the fluid builds up, the only way is to do a chest tap and draw it back out. We would, at our practice, recommend that you put her to sleep when she is tired of the fight. Each time her chest fills with fluid, it stresses all the other organs in her body. And, although, she may be fine once the fluid is removed, the fact is that she suffers until it is, and she suffers each time they have to pass a chest tube. You will find that there is a point where Mandrake will let you know that she is tired of the fight. That will be the time to give her the final kindness of not letting her suffer any more. I am so sorry. I know how awful it is to love something so much, and not be able to take away it's pain."
catspjamas replied: "I'm sorry you're going through all this. It sounds as though you've done everything you can short of surgery. At 17 yo, surgery would be extremely risky. It it really worth it? About the only suggestion I can make is to check her albumin. Low albumin is associated with pulmonary edema. Since she's been seen by a cardiologist, I would think he checked her albumin level, but it never hurts to ask.
It sounds as if she has a good qualilty of life right now. If she were my cat, I wouldn't do the surgery. I'd continue taking her in to have the fluid drawn off, and would keep her happy and as comfortable as I could. If the fluid started building up faster, meaning she'd have to go more frequently, then I'd start considering if her quality of life was still good. What you're going through is really hard. You want to do what is best, but is it best for her?"
Animal specialist or Medical Knowledge urgently needed? PLEASE HELP...URGENT!! Animal specialists and/or medically knowledgeable people needed! I am seeking the help of any health care/medically knowledgeable people for advice. I have a seventeen year old mixed breed cat. She has always been quite healthy. About 3 or 4 years ago, she developed a 'hyper active thyroid.' She has been on Tapazole ever since then, and has responded very well to it. She is currently on a dosage of 5 mg, 1/2 a tablet in the morning, and one whole tablet in the evenings. About two months ago I took her for her regular checkup and my vet heard a "gallop" in her heart. We started her on 2.5 mg of Amlodipine, 1/4 of a tablet every three days. Things seemed to be going well, I brought her in a couple of weeks later, and the vet said her heart sounded great, and to keep the treatment going. Two days later, my cat was having very labored breathing and I brought her into an emergency vet clinic. They told me that her lungs were filled with fluid, and that they had to "tap her chest." They were able to successfully remove the fluid, and I took her the next day to see a heart specialist. They did an echocardiogram on her, and even though her heart seemed to look all right, we started to treat her for heart disease. We took her off the Amlodipine and put her on Lasix (12.5 mg, half a tablet twice a day) AND Enalapril (2.5 mg, half a tablet twice a day). She remained on those medications for a few weeks. Meanwhile, every single Friday she was rechecked, and the fluid was always back. We had to continually remove the fluid (through chest taps). Finally, the cardiologist ran some kind of blood work, to look at where her 'heart values' were at. He said that if it was in fact heart disease, that the numbers would be "through the roof." When we got the results back, all of her heart values were fine. We were both surprised. So, then he said it could possibly be "vasculitis?" Something where the vessels in her body were leaking. So, we put her on Prednisone (5 mg, half a tablet twice a day). She was on that for a couple of weeks...still, every Friday like clockwork, the fluid was back. Always around the same amount...no more, no less. In a last ditch effort, thinking maybe it could be some kind of fungus, we have put her on Doxycycline (liquid form, 100 mg/ml...I give her 0.2 mls twice a day). We also know that it is not cancer, because we've run the fluid (from her lungs) on two separate occasions, to check for cancer. And, it keeps coming back clean. The fluid that they keep removing is perfectly clear...not cloudy or straw-like at all. This is what we know right now: It is not heart disease, leaky vessels, fungus, or cancer. She is currently on a half a tablet of Prednisone (twice a day), 0.2 mls of Doxycycline (twice a day), and Tapazole (half a tablet in the morning, whole tablet at night). Other than the fluid in her lungs, she is PERFECTLY fine. She doesn't show any signs of discomfort or pain at all. She is eating and drinking normally, she is playful and affectionate...you would never even know that there is anything wrong. We have tried EVERYTHING that we can think of. The only option left is surgery, where they will open her chest and dig around inside. I am desperately trying to avoid this at all costs, for it is extremely aggressive, and potentially fatal. I am turning to all of you. I am reaching out to the huddled Internet masses, and begging for you to help me. ANY suggestions, thoughts, opinions, and ideas that you may have are not only welcomed, but completely needed. I pray that if we all put our brains together, that maybe we can save my sweet little Mandrake's life. I am also willing to offer a reward to anyone whose information results in the correct diagnosis. Please help me, she means the world to me
briguy0103 replied: "My opinion is that your cat has lived a very long, very full life. I would make the main concern the comfort of the cat, not preservation of life. So center you decision around how much the cat will suffer or benefit from the procedure. If the procedure brings the cat discomfort, I would refuse it. Just try to make the cat comfortable for the rest of its life, however long that may be."
Immune mediated thorombocytopenia? My baby boy Zeus is at the animal care center and my heart is hurting so bad.The vet called and said his platelet count is 1000 and she did not see anything on x-ray showing cancer
and his immune system was only attacking his platelet count.
Zeus is on Prednisone,Abatuioprine and Doxycyline. He was bleeding from his nose thats why I took him to vet.If you have been through this how is your pet doing.I just lost a pet in April
from old age and I cant lose my Zeus too.
danadee l replied: "WHAT IS A PLATELET?
A platelet is a cloud-shaped blood cell, neither related to the red blood cell line nor the white blood cell line. Platelets act in the clotting of blood in that they home to damaged areas of blood vessels, and “aggregate” there, meaning that they pile onto each other and bind, forming a small plug to seal the hole in the leaking blood vessel. Of course, large tears are too big for platelets to seal and there are other blood clotting mechanisms besides platelet aggregation but when it comes to small bleeds and normal blood vessel wear and tear, platelets are the star of the show.
There is a saying that “platelets are vascular integrity and vascular integrity is platelets.”
A small bleed unstaunched by a platelet aggregation quickly becomes a large bruise. Spontaneous bruising (in other words visible bruising from the normal wear and tear of one’s body) is a sign of reduced platelet numbers or poor platelet function.
THE LIFE AND TIMES OF JOE PLATELET
We would like to present a more detailed explanation of a platelets life from beginning to end. Platelets come from the bone marrow where a large (actually gigantic relative to the red and white blood cell precursors) cell called a “megakaryocyte” spits off little active pieces of itself. These pieces are platelets, ready to enter the circulation where they will live for an average of 8-12 days (in the dog) or 6-8 days (in a human) before a bleeding capillary calls them to their destiny. At any given time some 200,000-500,000 platelets are on patrol in the circulation, though only about 50,000 are considered the bare minimum to prevent spontaneous bruising and bleeding. About 1/3 of the circulating platelets are actually stored in the spleen like boats in a harbor, ready to mobilize if necessary. When platelets become too old to be useful, the spleen has special cells called “phagocytes” which essentially eat old cells and recycle their inner materials.
IMMUNE-MEDIATED PLATELET DESTRUCTION
For reasons unknown, platelets can be mistaken by the immune system as invaders. When this happens, antibodies coat the platelets and the spleen’s phagocytes remove them in numbers up to 10 times greater than the normal platelet removal rate. The megakaryocytes in the bone marrow respond by getting larger and growing in numbers so that they may increase their production of platelets. The platelets produced under these circumstances tend to be larger and more effective than normal platelets and are called “stress platelets.” The bone marrow attempts to overcome the accelerated platelet destruction rate; unfortunately, with immune-mediated destruction occuring, a human platelet can expect to survive only one day in the circulation instead of its normal 6-8 days. If antibody levels are very high, a platelet may survive only minutes or hours after its release from the bone marrow and, making matters worse, antibody coated platelets still circulating do not function normally. This is balanced by the especially effective stress platelets entering the scene so that overall it is hard to predict how the balance will work out in a given patient.
WHAT WOULD CAUSE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO GET SO CONFUSED?
In many cases, a cause is never found; however, in cases a primary reaction in the immune system precedes the platelet destruction. For example, immune destruction of some other stimulus could be occurring. A blood parasite, tumor, drug, or other cell type (as in lupus or immune-mediated red cell destruction) might all generate an antibody response. As antibodies are produced in response to the surface shapes of the “enemy” cell, some of the surface shapes may unfortunately resemble “self” shapes such as shapes on the surface of platelets.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PATIENT?
The usual patient is a middle-aged dog. Poodles appear to be predisposed though Cocker Spaniels and Old English Sheepdogs also seem to have a higher than average incidence of this condition.
Spontaneous bruising is the major clinical sign. The gums and oral surfaces or on the whites of the eyes are a obvious areas to check as is the hairless area of the belly. Small spots of bruising in large conglomerations called “petecchiae” (“pet-TEEK-ee-a”) are the hallmark sign. A large, purple expansive bruise might also be seen. This is called “ecchymosis.” Large internal bleeds are not typical of platelet dysfunction, though bleeding small amounts in urine, from the nose, or rectally may also indicate a platelet problem.
When these sorts of signs are seen, a platelet count is drawn, along with usually an array of clotting parameters, red blood cell counts to assess blood loss, and other general metabolic blood tests. Since testing to detect actual anti-platelet antibodies is not available, the veterinarian must determine if any other possible causes of low platelet count make sense.
OTHER CAUSES OF PLATELET DYSFUNCTION
Dramatic reduction in platelet numbers is almost always caused by immune-mediated destruction, though certain tick-borne blood parasites could also be responsible:
Ehrlichiosis (especially infection with Ehrlichia platys)
Rickettsia rickettsii (Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever)
Very low platelet counts can also occur in response to the suppression of megakaryocytes within the bone marrow. This might be caused by:
Artificial estrogens
Sulfonamide Antibiotics
Chloramphenicol (an antibiotic)
Chemotherapy Drugs
Bone Marrow Cancer
Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation is a life-threatening disastrous uncoupling of normal blood clotting and clot dissolving functions in the body and one of its hallmark signs is a drop in platelet count (along with a constellation of other signs).
If platelet numbers are normal but it is obvious that platelet function is not, some other causes to look into might include:
Von Willebrand’s Disease (a hereditary clotting disorder)
Metabolic toxins (liver or kidney failure)
Over use of Aspirin or similar NSAID
Pancreatitis
Methimazole (for the treatment of hyperthyroid cats)
Bone Marrow Cancers
THERAPY FOR IMMUNE MEDIATED PLATELET DESTRUCTION
Once a tentative diagnosis of immune-mediated platelet destruction has been made, the goal in therapy is to stop the phagocytes of the spleen from removing the antibody-coated platelets and cutting off antibody production. This, of course, means suppression of the immune system using whatever combination of medication seems to work best for the individual patient.
Prednisone or Dexamethasone
These steroid hormones are the first line of defense and, often, all that is necessary in bringing platelet counts back up. Unfortunately, long term use should be expected and this means steroid side effects are eventually inevitable: excessive thirst, possible urinary tract infection, panting, poor hair coat etc. The good news is that these effects should resolve once medication is discontinued; further, if side effects are especially problematic, other medications can be brought in to reduce the dose of steroid needed.
Vincristine
This injectable medication is mildly immune suppressive but also seems to stimulate a sudden burst of platelet release from the marrow megakaryocytes. The platelets released in response to vincristine contain a phagocyte toxin so that when they are ultimately eaten by spleen phagocytes, the phagocytes will die. While repeated injections of vincristine ultimately do not yield the same effect, at least a one time dose may be extremely helpful. One should note that vincristine is extremely irritating if delivered outside of the vein. It must be given IV cleanly or the overlying tissue will slough.
Androgens
Male hormones may have some masculinizing side effects but they do seem to cut production of anti-platelet antibodies. It also seems to synergize with the corticosteroid hormones like prednisone and dexamethasone. Danazol has been the androgen typically recommended in the treatment of immune-mediated platelet destruction with weight gain being the most common side effect.
Azathioprine or Cyclophosphamide
These are stronger immune suppressive agents typically used in cancer chemotherapy. If steroid side effects are unacceptable or if the patient does not respond to steroids alone, one of these medications may be indicated. Cyclosporine, a newer medication made popular in organ transplantation, also may be used but expense has been problematic.
TRANSFUSION?
One might think that a transfusion of blood or at least “platelet rich plasma” might be helpful in the treatment of a platelet dysfunction. The problem is that platelets do not survive well after removal from a blood donor. One has about 12 hours to deliver the freshly withdrawn blood to the recipient before the platelets become inactive. After the platelets are delivered they are likely to live only hours. In general, most efforts are spent on establishing immune suppression.
GAMMA GLOBULIN TRANSFUSION
Gamma globulins are blood proteins including antibodies. Human gamma globulin appears to occupy the phagocyte antibody binding site so that coated platelets cannot be grabbed out of the circulation. This has been a promising therapy for both humans and dogs but is generally prohibitively expensive.
SPLENECTOMY
If medication simply does not work or the condition keeps recurring once medications are discontinued, the solution may be to simply remove the spleen. Afterall, this is where the phagocytes removing the platelets are primarily located. In humans, immune-mediated platelet destruction is generally treated with splenectomy first. Reponse in dogs has not been as predictably good thus in veterinary medicine it is generally one of the last therapies invoked.
Page last updated: 4/2/03
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10 yr. old Golden not making platelets? My golden retriever is having difficulty producing blood platelets. The vet has him on 20mg of Prednisone 2x a day. Has anyone ever given an animal high doses of vitamin K to get platelets up or anything besides Prednisone? If so, please let me know how things went.
Laura - Veterinary Surgeon replied: "High levels of vitamin K will not help produce platelet, vitamin K encourages production of some clotting factors, but not platelets themselves.
There are various causes but most are usually suspected to be immune-mediated, i.e. the body attacking its own platelets.
Other treatments are generally symptomatic treatments for anything else that arises. If it is immune-mediated then prednisolone is needed.
Talk to your vet about it, that's your first port of call."
Dog having trouble breathing through nose..sounds pig like, respiratory? I have a wonderful 13 year old female beagle/cocker mix-spayed. Only pet in house. Pampered.
Over the past 2 months I noticed she was gaining some weight, panting more and the breathing through her nose became noisy - almost pig like.
Vet put her on Prednisone and also said she had Kennel Cough (no sneezing or coughing) since palpating her throat elicited something. Doxycycline got rid of the Kennel Cough. Prednisone has run its course, but nasal breathing issues still exist.
I suspected Cushings (I am not a vet) or perhaps Stenotic nares (narrowing of nasal passage). Vet ran some blood and one value was 5000 instead of below 500. This blood test was run while she was on prednisone, therefore another blood test will be run in a week to test for Cushings and then further tests for Cushings via blood and injection if that blood test warrants it.
This vet practice has 29 people there and about 9 vets so I am confident of their abilities. I still am concerned about her breathing through the nose being somewhat noisy and labored.
They can take an xray of Sadie and can scope her throat looking for excess skin and such that may cause the nasal noise.
They do not have the tools to scope her nose and to do so would require me taking her to a more highly specialized animal hospital, getting a CT scan and so on. Sure this may cost me over $2k but I am trying to first rule out Cushings and other things.
There is no nasal discharge from her nose and she does not sneeze.
I assume the structure of a dogs nose has 2 passage ways like ours. So I covered one nostril with my finger and she still could breathe although a little restricted. Covered other nostril and she pulled away from me (tried a few times) and I believe this other nostril is more restricted (just like me-her father).
I know this dog has had allergies (just like me) in the past, no changes to environment except some food changes I tried as I was on RX food and vet said it was unnecessary so I switched-but I really see no pattern to this breathing issue.
Sure she drinks more water and pees more due to the prednisone and the breathing. She is more tired but also has gained more weight even b4 prednisone. But she is 13 and tires out easily. She has gained about 3-4 pounds over the past year. Her weight was about 27 and is now 31lbs.
Sounds like Cushings by Google reading but I am nt a vet and this will not be tested. Am more concerned about the pig like sounds during her inhale of breathing through her nose
She never was a dog to breathe through her mouth except to pant.
There is n loss of hair (Cushings symptom)..
So I am doing my best to try to get to the bottom of this. Next vet appt 8/29 to test for Cushings (we are waiting a week for prednisone to get out of her system completely. And if next values indicate possible Cushings, then more specific tests will be run. But not sure the Cushings would cause the noisy nasal breathing issue as opposed to an obstruction, narrowing of nasal passage, etc..
I am at a loss and need some advice....
She has been on Rimadyl for years due to arthritis.
Thanks so much for input. Apologize for the long message. Wanted a complete history.
Sincerely
Peter
Charlotte NC
UnHappyLungs replied: "Sorry to hear about your dog. But you might want to post this on the dog section, there are people more experienced with dogs and may be able to help you. Good luck."
trying to spread the word...................? As many of you know I volunteer at ARNO (animal rescue new orleans) and WE REEALLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY NNNEEEEEEEDDDD YOUR HELPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and if you have a pet of your own I don't see how you could ignore this bullitin....you don't even have to donate of volunteer at the shelter...you could just repost it and try to get the word to the people who do want to help...
here's the deal:
Kitten season is upon us and in full swing.
We need KMR (Kitten Formula) desperately! I opened a new container of KMR (12oz size) yesterday evening...and it's gone already! And that's just the babies that I'm feeding! We've got more babies at Laura's, Dawn's and Tom's and Vivian's, and more tinies coming in!
We have several nursing moms at the shelter, and we plug new babies on the mommas whenever possible. But some babies are too sick, too unhealthy to be able to be plugged on...
The numbers are astonishing. ..Mrs.Laura brought 25 home with her last night, Tom has at least 5 (sick and ringwormy babies), Dawn has 8, Vivian has 4...and that doesn't count what might come in today, nor does it count the babies that are on mommas that we still go through and supplement to make sure they are getting enough.
So, thinking outside the box (which probably isn't outside the box at all), ARNO needs your support to make things happen, and continue to improve things for our animals and our volunteers. Think public support. Tell everyone you know about ARNO. Tell them that we need their help. Make a bulletin or blog on your MySpace or Facebook or where ever you socialize online. Tell people you meet about ARNO, get them interested (message me if you are gonna help and need/want some info ) .. .make them want to help the animals in any way they can.
ARNO needs funds to help us continue with our TNR (trap-neuter-realse) program. We will never be able to get a grip on all these babies if we can't or don't TNR.
We also need donations of KMR (kitten formula) , baby bottles (kitten), extra nipples for the bottles, cotton balls and sterile gauze pads, thermometer tip covers, lubricant, eye wash, heating pads (not auto shut-off),and/or baby blankies...
we need medicines and pharmaceuticals that we go through like water. Heartgard, Advantage, Revolution, K9Advantix, Capstar, large bottles of Pen-G, Albon, Strongid, DroncitPlus, Rimadyl, Prednisone, MarquisPaste, slides and cover slips, etc. Ask your vet if he has medicines that people have turned in when their pet passes, or meds that are near expiration that he does not want to keep or he cannot get credit for (most pharmaceuticals if kept correctly last one year past their expiration date), we always use bags of fluids: LRS (lactated ringers), etc. All these things will help us save money. We go through thousands of latex gloves each month to protect volunteers and not spread contagions as you have to change between each cage. Trifectant powder by the 10 lb. tubs are used monthly. We can also use kennels... when we fly out animals we need kennels for one way trips, as they don't come back to us.
Also we need replacement trays for
if you have any of these items or if you could donate some money OR if you have things that you may think will help then don't hesitate to bring it by...
thanks for reading and maybe helping....
p.s. I also would welcome any 'out the box' ideas from anyone... you never know where something could lead.
and if you wanna help here are some ideas that really won't hurt you or your pocket at all
How about a garage sale that the proceeds benefit ARNO?
I cann even send you bookmarks to handout to identify the beneficiary which will send more traffic to our website and maybe more donations?
Any of you sell items on e-Bay or through a website or a retail store? Put a sticker that $1 will go to ARNO (please) from the purchase and our website address..
PLEASE HELP THE ANIMALS
ohh and if you can't donate then PLEASE consider volunteering...even just one hour would help us TRUMENDOUSLY
and don't forget to message me if you want info
victoria clark
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CF_ replied: "although I support your attempts.. it is actually against Yahoo Answers to ask for stuff like you are doing here."
Euthanasia or more treatment? Ok people I'm looking for professional and honest advice. I'm a foster carer for an animal rescue group. I took in a 5 month old kitten over 6 months ago and she has serious health problems. She came into care with an eye injury, very thin, pregnant and scabs all over. Because of her age and health the pregnancy had to be terminated. She's put on weight now and with a quick glance you would think she is healthy. Tinkerbelle has been on all sorts of medication for her skin including antibiotics, antihistamines and now steroids (prednisone). Her skin heals and then flares up again. The steroids are her last chance medication before the vet decides she has to be put to sleep. The eye injury has been put down to shrinking of the eye caused by some sort of brain damage, which cannot be treated though it doesn't bother her at all anyway. She is also very anti-social and doesn't get along with my other cats at all. She tends to hide away, only coming out to eat and drink. She no longer uses a litter tray and has become depressed. I am having issues with the thought of having putting her to sleep because that's what we fight for in animal rescue, trying to reduce the numbers of euthanasia. I am hoping there is some kind of medical miracle that could improve her all round condition and make her a happier cat. She is not in any pain at all but I am wondering if the brain damage is more severe than the vet thought. So the question is, should I have her euthanased or continue with the treatment and hope for the best? I don't want to prolong the inevitable, or her suffering. We only want the best for Her.
Tink- she's approximately one year old now.
Thanks 'save a life', for your honesty. You're right, she unfortunately is taking up room for healthy adoptable animals, though she would be spending her lifetime with us anyway, we wouldn't rehome her with these issues and they all stay anyway if they don't get a home. I think it's time for me to let her cross the rainbow bridge and be a peace. I'll be getting her vet to give her one more checkup first though :(
Jenn- I don't do rescue for numbers either, I save who I can and it is their best interest that I always keep at heart. To be honest I hate rescue for this reason, everyone thinks they know everything. Thanks for your input.
Infiniti replied: "Stay with the treatment."
Tink replied: "hi im an animal lover and i feel for you as well as your cat ,how old is she,id kinda sway towadrs treaing her,as long as she doesnt get any worse."
Save a Life. Spay or Neuter! replied: "At this point I think the best course of action would be to have her euthanized. It sounds like this is going to be a chronic issue for her for the rest of her life, and there are very few people willing to adopt an animal with chronic health issues. You also mentioned that she isn't very social, and is not using her litterbox either. With any one of these numerous problems she would have a hard time being adopted, let alone all of them. It sounds to me like she doesn't really have a high quality of life, and the best option would be to euthanize. With the time, money and effort that you are putting into her now, you would be able to help several other healthy and adoptable animals.
I'm sorry you're in this situation."
jenn replied: "I do not do rescue "by the numbers". I deal with what is in front of me and do the best I can with that one. I once had a kitten that lived on my shoulder and I didn't know for 4 months if he was going to make it( and I am pretty good with diagnosis myself.) He is a gorgeous chocolate point with startling blue eyes today and very healthy. Would you think of people that way? No, you wouldn't. Apply that logic. Let your heart lead you in this work of love. Do not become one of the hardened pragmatists."
queenjeanarlene replied: "I think you made a loving decision. Whether it's humans or other animals there is a time when it's right and proper for life to end. Prolonging it is in my opinion just cruel. When you can ask yourself what would I want done if that were me. and the answer is let me go. Then you are doing the right thing.
I've worked in geriatrics from 1960 to 2005, I've seen the elderly beg to die. loneliness, uncontrolled pain and having to depend on an over-worked nurse for the most basic needs of a human being. Little animals deserve the kindness of humanly ending their lives when Life is too painful to continue to endure."
Onica Star replied: "Keep with the treatment Please do not Euthanasia I hate that, You know God can heal her, He has healed many of my pets. Let me know what you do."

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